Comments on: The Ubuntu/Mono debate continues…

By: edam

edam — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:23:27 +0000

I am a developer, and I would rather not have Mono installed by default. For me, it is not a trust issue, but an ethical one.

Like RMS, I’m grateful that we have a free implementation of .NET on our free operating systems. I just feel that the whole C# language and it’s .NET libraries were created for the wrong reasons, by the wrong people. Not only does it taste bad to me, the technology was clearly only created to benefit Microsoft and further the interests of a company who has regularly attacked and, I believe, where it benefits them, will continue to attack the free software community. I want no part of it and I hope it is avoided wherever possible.

By: Joshua

Joshua — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:28:39 +0000

Microsoft is “using” the FOSS developer community talent to create applications in Mono that Microsoft can port to their closed source Windows. Why isn’t anyone noticing this?

Microsoft has no community of developers to depend on, so they are trying to “seduce” FOSS developers.

By: The Open Sourcerer » C# Is just “SO Last Year”

The Open Sourcerer » C# Is just “SO Last Year” — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:58:43 +0000

[...] humble blog will be very aware of my personal opinion about Mono and specifically with regards to where it should belong in [...]

By: Judicator

Judicator — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:03:09 +0000

Carlos ….. it’s called the principle of precaution ….

It’s when something is unsure and so you take action to avoid a possible situation in future.

Let me explain you with a simple example :
We know that a person being hit by a car is deadly ……. so, by the principle of precaution, before crossing the road, you must look if a car is not going into you. Not doing so may or may not be the tragic accident. What is sure is if you check before crossing the road, you will not be hit by a car (unless you are silly or drunk or want to die).

So the patents on the tech that mono uses exists, Microsoft has made in his past patent pursue, Nothing happened with .net up to now. By principle of precaution it’s not advised to let mono as default installed.

The Ubuntu Team, in your link, reveal that the situation is unsure but nothing real happened to them. So they decided to continue with mono integrated. They know the potential risk and accept the risk taken.

By: Alan Lord

Alan Lord — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:55:03 +0000

You are entitled to your opinion of course

By: Carlos

Carlos — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:17:22 +0000

You don’t have a high IQ, I must say. You are appealing to the user as a emotional guy, and the developer side as the tech side. In the end, my friend, places can be exchanged. We are not that simple. I really don’t know how you are doing this deductions, specially the last one: “Mono is a ” etc.

You need to separate a deduction between a point of view (“Mono is a “), and an appreciation (“user is emotional, developers remain tech”). You that a lot of users also like Mono, right? Also, there are, I’m pretty sure, developers that don’t like Mono.

Finally, for those that are afraid of the patents, AND that have coded but nothing but school projects in some cases, go and read: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html

By: Judicator

Judicator — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:31:46 +0000

So the conclusion is : Mono ok but optional, not installed by default.

Because, one thing that, at least we can agrees : Many companies ask someone to make something. If that someone is microsoft enthusiast, it will surely uses .net technologies. Using mono, in that case, can be usefull for not being linked to a “MS windows platform”.

It’s surely microsoft patent and in future claims ……. but meanwhile that project open doors to the linux world and maybe the asp.net enthusiast will change to php.

the confusion of the windows lovers is the first step for them for changing to linux.

By: Ajay

Ajay — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:02:39 +0000

Novell – They started it all, and are in bed with MS

Mandriva – They shipped with Nvidia prop drivers, and include quite a few prop softwares in free an paid versions of their distro. So Mono is not even a leap for the,

Ubuntu – Shipped it by default, but users have started revolting, specially after gNote proved Mono is BS

Debian – They claim to be holier than thou, even shipping a rebranded version of firefox. Shipping Mono by default smacks of a silent coup in the camp.

Fedora – As much as people hate them, they have proved to be the best torch bearers for OSS in recent times. They’ve kicked out Mono from the default installation CD, and have started the present debate on Mono,

By: Patent This! Part 2 | Matt That

Patent This! Part 2 | Matt That — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:46:42 +0000

[...] The chatter has increased about use of Mono implemented programs in the Ubuntu Linux distribution. This particular batch of trouble-soup is made with Microsoft, Mono and patents. In some cases its gotten a bit intriguing- in others much more controversial. There have been some suggestions about how to deal with the proposed concerns. But, clearly the debate continued for some time. [...]

By: Judicator

Judicator — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:30:29 +0000

another thing :
Debian is about to include in default install Mono ……. So let me ask the following : Witch distribution will not include mono ?

all Debian likes, if the decision is made, will have it.
all suse likes has it
all redhat/fedora likes has it
all mandriva likes has it

All the big distro bases will have it ……. so what it leaves to you ?

Does this debate is too late ? Or just debating on something that is, already, a fact ?